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12th October 2017
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The server is dead. Most regulars quit. New players join, play for 2 weeks and never come back.
The server quality is...low to say it nice. Render distance has been decreased which makes it hard to explore the world. The Halloween themed spawn is the perfect example for what's become. It's basically the same spawn as last year, just abit edited. Poor worldediting, and most obvious bugs havent been fixed, for example the lava seas. Dronox fixed some bugs in the main area of spawn - alone or MrZeus_ Making a new Halloween themed PvP arena - also alone, which gives me hope that at least some fo the staff members care about the server. The Overall management sucks to be honest, almost 2 years old bugs havent been fixed, best example the forums, it has lots of them, none of these were fixed.

I know running a server is expensive, but we had many players, we had 70-100 players on weekends, decreasing the slots to 50, adding plugins, enjoying them for one or two weeks, then shutting them down for "maintaince" or "fixing", gives me the feeling you dont care about the server since you're obviously running on not enough RAM. Survival games? Added, one week later removed for "fixing" - it never came back. Costume NPC's? shut down - "too laggy"...thats why you still use it at some points of server.

I'm not blaming mods or council, this time I'm blaming the elements. I'm also not saying the elements are greedy, of course not, I mean, why paying for something you dont care about? If you cant take the time, or dont want to take the time, to care about the server, you should start thinking about changing the ownership, if its not the case, get others to help you. For example, allow trusted players to make spawn look better, fix the forums, or taking care about the server in general. Yeah, I know most of the staff members were working on the themed maps but get others to fix the issues that appear when replacing the normal spawn with the new one.

I'm not going to quit, nor do I hate the server. But I'm going to take a break. It simply hurts if I compare memories with reality. Somehow I doubt the elements will see this post, or even take it serious...

Goodbye for now
-Cinecs

I need to eat water. ~Jeje2201, august 2015
12th October 2017
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I would like to state several things on this post, because I - I do not know about the Elements - do care about it, and do take it serious.

Firstly, I do not believe that the server is "dying". The reasons are not quite complicated.

While bug managment is an enormous issue, there are ways to fix issues, to be exact, the delegation of bug fixing is key. Basically, more staff members - only the most trustworthy ones, obviously - need to be able to use more of the server's plugins, and, perhaps, be able to code themselves. Now that is a high expectation, and I do not know if, how, or when it would be met, but at least I am adding another solution to the large pot of possibilities.

The unfortunate composition of the Halloween spawn is an example where I must definitely agree with Cinecs: The enormous amount of effort by some people is unfortunately squashed by few ones who are in positions of power but do not actively make use of them. Perhaps there are larger problems behind this that we just do not see: Miscoordination, for example, is something that we do not have an insight on, and if anything, we are just passively affected by it, and stay uninformed ourselves. Unfortunately I will have to make the assumption that there is simply not enough effort.

Having addressed these points, I will now talk about the bright side of our little discussion.

The render distance has been decreased, yes. However there is no way this obstructs exploration, unless one takes an impatient approach to exploring by air. Exploring the world on foot or flying at low speed even grants the experience of paying more attention to details than one would normally.

As far as large amounts of players are concerned, we have reached the point where I disagree the most. While it is true that there are fewer people online than there used to be, that is not even necessarily a bad thing: Keeping the community small allows us to interact with players personally, a feature that disappeared from the massive minigames servers that now make up a vital part of the time of a vast amount of players.

What however connects our opinions is that change is necessary. If I am asked, though, I will not say the server is dying. I am saying it is slowly falling asleep. And that is something that I do not want.

Finally, I would like to address everyone, including but not limited to the Elements and the Council, when I say that we should all do more for the server. It is what connects us few, let's not have it fall apart.

(German original: "Es ist nicht der Humor, der Menschen tötet, es sind Menschen, die keinen Humor verstehen, die Menschen töten.") Translation: "It's not humour that kills men, it's men without sense of humour that kill men." ~ Martin Rassau
12th October 2017
6:29 pm
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This is much true, it also is the reason why i dont play on the server that much anymore

So, how i play on this server is i build stuff, chat with the community and help people with their projects. But now there are only less than 10 people on when i join. So chatting with people isnt that much fun because there are simply not much people online. Thats also why i cant help much people because there are no people online that need help. I also lost inspiration to build. In the town me and my brother are building because i have no ideas for houses, and i could build houses for people on the server , but i havent seen players wanting a house built.

Also, in all the time ive been online on this server, nothing has changed. I mean, there has not been some boost that keep my interest on the server. It says bedwars is coming, but thats WIP all the time ive been on here. Also, i doubt it will work with this few people though.

So, ive been playing way less on this server than before and i hate that. I dont wanna lose this server because the community is great, but im just bored when i play on here.
Please Elements and Councils, if you read this, try to boost the server with something, because i dont want to lose it. (mawbey you can add a kitpvp with different kits bought by coins collected by pvping. And leaderboards and stuff in it)

12th October 2017
11:25 pm
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Also, while I agree that the server map should be reset each year to accommodate new constructions and projects, there isn't much incentive for old players to stay. Claim blocks, which took quite some effort to accumulate, has been reset, skyblock has been reset; the one thing that does stay is /ar time. Creative is gone and up all the time. As a result, some players stay for one map, and seeing the fate of all their effort allows them to start anew, leave for other pursuits.

I know that the staff members are doing their best for the server, but on another note, it would be greatly appreciated if some of these values carry over the resets. I think many people will find purpose if they don't have to work over and over again. As TjerkNL said, leaderboards would be great. Perhaps, we can have a scramble/reaction leaderboard? This is just a random suggestion.WinkWinkahem

I miss the old friends, but as they always say, friends come and go.

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13th October 2017
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Alright… seeing as I’d like to cover everyone’s points, this is going to be a long response and I’ll divide it up into sections. Feel free to scroll to the bottom for a TL;DR if you would like, but for those of you who responded on this post originally, I would appreciate it if you would read my points.

Cinecs:
To be fair, many people have gotten older and have to pay a bit more attention to life as a whole (many of them I’m still in touch with, and they’re quite busy with school, work, and whatnot). Many players have joined and are sticking around, and we've always had players who log on for a few days and then never again (this has never changed). We originally reduced render distance due to performance issues, and never raised it again because people never suggested it or complained about it (therefore, we didn’t see it as an issue). To assume no effort was put into a Halloween spawn makes it seem like you are under the impression nobody was working on it whatsoever (which was false). But then again, everyone gets to have their own opinion as to how builds look.

For bugs that you claim are nearly 2 years old, how are we supposed to know about bugs if nobody reports them? Dan recently fixed many bugs on the forum that were reported, which has been very helpful and we appreciate it (this considering they’ve been busy working on animating full-time). So to claim no bugs were fixed is false, and you should be reporting any other bugs that exist if you think it's that much of an issue (I’ve been fixing every single bug on the server itself when it is fixable, if it’s reported).

In your point of the idea that we added plugins and then “[shut] them down for ‘maintenance’ or ‘fixing’” doesn’t seem clear enough to narrow down enough to address properly. We also have plenty of memory, so that is not an issue (and how would you even know how much memory the server is using? This point seems invalid since that is not information you have access to). In addition, the server rarely has downtime; when it does, it’s targeted for hours when very few people are online, and most shutdowns are simply restarts that only last a couple minutes to quickly fix something or add/remove a feature (simply doing a reload without restarting the server honestly does more harm than good 99% of the time). It’s extremely rare for the server to actually go down because of an issue, and it gets fixed ASAP if it does happen. Some plugins have limits as to what they can be used for before they can cause issues (and these are issues that the plugin developers never fixed, which we have no control over). We recently removed NPC’s upon discovering that by spawning in a few too many, there were some lag issues that can be resolved by removing them for a bit (this plugin isn’t even necessary for players to play on the server, we have it for cosmetics and will remove it when necessary so players can enjoy the server with little to no lag). So I made the call to remove it in order to allow for better performance. We have no control over the quality of a plugin’s code. If we deem a plugin too problematic to keep, we remove it entirely.

To blame the Elements entirely is honestly just a bit ridiculous. The Moderators and Council of the server are attending to most of the issues that arise because that is what we are here for; the Elements focus on their full-time job of animating (which should be their priority; it’s how they earn a living), and we focus on keeping the server running at as optimal of a level as possible. You can blame the Elements all you want, but they do care about it and chose the staff that are on today because they know we can take care of something that they want their fanbase to enjoy.

As for saying there are remaining issues… how are we supposed to fix bugs that don’t get reported (especially if they’re small)? How are we supposed to improve the server if no players give us suggestions and tell us what they would like to see? We’re not psychic, but we do care about the server and try to make improvements where we can. If players aren’t suggesting things, then we have to randomly guess at it and hope for the best.

Cubemaster:
The Halloween spawn isn’t a final product, and can still be edited. Unfortunately it seems that many staff are busy with school and/or work at the moment, so progress is just a bit slower than usual.

TjerkNL:
To refer back to my points made in response to Cinecs, feel free to suggest things to us. We don’t know what players want to see if none of them tell us, and we have multiple channels for it (you can suggest things on the forum, on Discord, or you can email the Council).

MoldySoup:
We don’t reset if we don’t have to; unfortunately there were quite a few issues between plugin and Minecraft updates recently that required several worlds to be reset in order to keep them running optimally. We would have preferred to avoid them if possible (and I did try to preserve as much as I could, personally), but unfortunately that is not always the case and we do give plenty of warning when we are about to reset. Usually it comes down to players either complaining that we haven’t updated, or that we have updated and had to reset something to accommodate it (doomed if we do, doomed if we don’t; bit hard to keep everyone happy there). I’ll consider adding a leaderboard for the scrambles (if possible). As I said to TjerkNL, feel free to suggest things to us.

To All:
The Elements do care, and deeply appreciate those of you who have supported them over the years. They have seen this post, and I know they aren’t always online or posting on the forums but please believe the staff when we say the following sentences. They try to keep the server running even when it seems like it might not be too easy to do; they keep it running because they love their fans and want to give them a place to join together and play. We’ve all seen the server change a lot since it opened 5 years ago; players join, players leave, things change. I myself have seen drastic changes since joining about 2 and a half years ago. Change is something that quite honestly has to be accepted since it cannot be stopped entirely. We can’t thank you all enough for the support you’ve given us, and we try to return the favor by creating a friendly, fun playing experience. All we ask is that you let us know when stuff isn’t working, when you would like to see a new feature added (which we will try to do if even possible, unfortunately not everything is), and to continue to recognize the server for what it is; a place for fans of Element Animation to play together.

TL;DR: We don’t know when you guys want something changed if you don’t tell us, we're always trying to fix anything that's wrong (even if it doesn't seem obvious), and we appreciate you all more than you’ll ever realize.

~ Kate ~
13th October 2017
10:12 pm
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Well just to be honest, the server is slowly dying. I only see 11 or less player come all day but I do understand why they don't come often, they got school and it sucks :/ . I feel like new players don't feel welcomed at the element server. I've been playing for 5 years now and I see the server going up the grid and then falling. Elements don't come as often they use to. Running a server is hard and expensive. I feel like the some staff we have now isn't paying attention to players more because they're doing something else. I see a lot of players signing up for staff just to get popularity and that's what is stupid. Also if the elements don't care about the server then they should delete it instead of paying for a server that's gonna die in any months by now. In my opinion, the server has got boring. It isn't the same anymore like before. New people joins and just make things worst. I'm not saying that new players are bad, some new players just don't follow any rules. I see a lot of players breaking the rules and the staffs don't even pay attention and that's what just make me angry about. I know that most staff are busy with IRL stuff but if they are that busy, then why not get new staff that isn't busy with anything at all. I really miss the old EA with great people. Also I feel like the elements give zero crap about the server and just doing it for the money, i'm not saying it's true but I feel like they are. EA got boring for most people because there isn't anything fun anymore like the old times. I understand that they need to pay like 200 a month to keep the server alive but the element should delete the server if they don't give a crap about it. Also the I feel like staff picks their favorite players as guides because they like them. Some guides aren't even helpful at all. They just do it for the free stuff and popularity they get, again i'm not saying it's true, it's what I think. There is a lot of bugs in the server but that isn't the staffs fault, it's ours. We have never reported about bugs because if we had then it would have been fix a long time ago. The regular players has stop playing because most of them said that it got boring or that they're really busy with IRL stuff. I'm not saying that the staff are doing a horrible jobs, well kinda. but it's that players don't feel welcomed at all in this server. I understand that staff has other "important" things to do but at least make new players to feel welcome. It's sad to see a server that most players enjoy before is now slowly dying. I miss the old EA, i miss the old players, i miss the old staff, i miss everything amazing that happened in the server before. So I do agree with you, cin. :/
PS: I am NOT putting any hates on the server

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13th October 2017
10:30 pm
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Firstly, thank you for your response, Kate. Now, the issue is that, I believe, the amount of players who actively play has drastically decreased. Either that, or we're facing some sort of weird fake nostalgia of how old equals good (it does not). I will create a forum post on how to address this problem, and people can share their thoughts and suggestions on that matter there.

(German original: "Es ist nicht der Humor, der Menschen tötet, es sind Menschen, die keinen Humor verstehen, die Menschen töten.") Translation: "It's not humour that kills men, it's men without sense of humour that kill men." ~ Martin Rassau
13th October 2017
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First off all, thanks for sharing your opinion. second, most of your points were already answered by Kate or just simply false. Now, let me show you how incorrect your statements were or how out of proportion you aforesaid them. One of your points was "I feel like new players don't feel welcomed at the element server." definitely deceitful. Mostly every time a new player has joined the server, the player gets greeted with a fair amount of welcome messages, and if you'd like evidence shown, I will gladly provide any upon request. Point debunked. Second statement is, " Elements don't come as often they use to." Let me ask you, how do people make a living? yes, a job. The Elements are working hard to produce high quality animation videos, other than that they have lives, just like you. Just because they own a YouTube channel and make videos doesn't mean they are exempt from having a life. Point proven false. Third point, ". Also if the elements don't care about the server then they should delete it instead of paying for a server that's gonna die in any months by now." The Elements do not pay a single dime for the server, it is paid through donations also known as BuyCraft. Second thing is who said they don't care about the server? I didn't see a message from any of the Elements stating they don't care about it, again, a rumor you probably made up. Point Debunked. "New people joins and just make things worst" how so? show evidence or have a witness supporting your statement, again, you just throw things out of proportion. Point Debunked. " some new players just don't follow any rules. I see a lot of players breaking the rules and the staffs don't even pay attention and that's what just make me angry about." Again, if you see anyone breaking rules; report it on the forums. When staff are either AFK or not paying attention then just report it, it's not hard at all. "Also I feel like the elements give zero crap about the server and just doing it for the money, i'm not saying it's true but I feel like they are" . Again, a rumor started by you. Elements do not receive any sort of payment or bonus from the server, as said again, all donations from buycraft go towards the server to keep it up. "EA got boring for most people because there isn't anything fun anymore like the old times." There is a suggestion section on the forums, it was not just put there for show. I suggest you use it. "PS: I am NOT putting any hates on the server" with everything you said, it's just utterly stupid to say that.

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14th October 2017
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On Saturdays ive seen the server reach up to 20-35 players so its not that dead everyone is just busy it seems.

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